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words from Peter Greenaway concerning nudity in SL art ...relevant to MAG i think

Dear Courtney Linden,

As a reaction to the rejection of Rose Borchovski ‘s art installation : The Kiss at the Celebration Sim, I
would like you to read this.... "text_exposed");''>See More

It seems to me incredible that you are enforcing censorship concerning nudity in public forums on Second Life.

Traditions of nudity in Western Art have for centuries been legitimate, honourable
and creditable.
The cyperspaces of Second Life - and Second Life has so far proved itself to be among the very best of such events -
are among todays' cutting edge of visual languages - continuing an enviable
tradition of new technologies in the visual arts
now that the orthodox cinematic arts are proving themselves moribund and archaic, and
enforcing new efforts to
avoid artistic elitism and the encouragement of egalitarianism in artistic expression Any artist worth
his or her salt,
always must engage in contemporary technologies - it has been the very reputable tradition of the most worthwhile artists
that has benefitted us all. Visual artists have always taught us to look.
The man-made world owes them everything.
Just because you have eyes does not mean you can see. And the political and social emancipation of
the naked and the nude
by artists has been essential for humanist civilisation - it has given you and me great liberalities of thinking
and self-respect.

Whatever else you think you may be doing with Second Life, you have created a very sophisticated tool that combines
traditions of painting with cinema and the graphic arts in present tense terms
that permits visual expression
of language like never before. Do not underestimate what you have created - but to remain creditable you
cannot enforce reactionary hypocritical standards that have been so discredited over the last five hundred years.

Like any self-respecting artist of course I am against gratuitous exploitation
that demeans and insults intelligence and
sensibilities but by your blanket censorship you are now doing both those things - insulting
artistic intelligence and
demeaning sensibility.
I suspect you are responding to pressure, to some form of mind-police, certainly to
some form of political correctness
that is related to money and the slow swing to the political right that is happening all over the world
related to
civilisation's fear of financial insecurity. Don't go that way. You are endangering a tool that is greater than you.

When the cultural histories of the early 21st century are written from
hindsight, you will undoubtedly find the possibilities and
successes of Second Life being eminently lauded and praised. Too many art forms
in the 20th century have been stunted
and deformed and deflected into ineffectualy and banality by small mindedness. If you really
insist in so-called protection
of innocence (and I really wonder what that really is - is it a synonym in fact for ignorance and
intolerance?) then do so on a careful
case by case basis with intelligence and foresight. This will be troublesome for you to do, if
you want to do it well. But it will
be very well worth your while,

Yours, hoping you will see sense, and not be influenced by short-term gain.

Peter Greenaway -Film maker

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Comment by jedda zenovka on September 9, 2010 at 6:59pm
...I think than instead of censor ship we should have a "Prudes Corner" self restriction is the way to go for those that are easily offended,
Comment by Daniel Southby on August 9, 2010 at 3:59am
I understand why Mr Greenaway would be upset. To censor freedom of expression no matter what form it is in is wrong! You might as well give everyone in society mind altering drugs that will take away our imaginations and dreams and fantasies. All that will be left is mindless human droids.

I can only speak for myself when I say I truly think I would die if I could not express myself with my drawings or paintings or other forms that help show my creative side. I find it funny that this person who is a Linden wants to censor nudity in art (Machinima), when if you type the word Sex in the general Search box you will get a list of sex places a mile long!

I know I've only recently joined M.A.G but I do agree with Lowe Runo This is a site that he made for Machinima artist to come and share ideas and knowledge to better help us all with our craft. If it wasn't for this place I wouldn't have known about the free Fraps 1.9d program and the sizer program that an artist here told me about and also answered some other questions I had stirring around in my head. So thankyou Lowe and everyone else for been here and making this a great community
Comment by Lieve Schat on June 22, 2010 at 8:02am
May I quote a machinima maker? "Just by making our art we have the tool to finally be able to educate censors, remove bosses and open up narrowminded rulers and turn them into fine people too."
Comment by Lowe Runo on June 21, 2010 at 12:22am
Well pay more attention to the part about posting on other sites that appeal to you and your work.

Excerpt from rules:


Although work may be showcased here for techinical critique, the main purpose of this site is to provide information and

collaboration to assist members in production and to achieve goals within the community.

Any discussions or displays that detract from this purpose will be deleted. Persistent incidents could result in removal from

Comment by Pyewacket on June 21, 2010 at 12:11am
tailoring i do not understnd
Comment by Lowe Runo on June 20, 2010 at 11:45pm
What was there about my post that was difficult to understand?
Comment by Pyewacket on June 20, 2010 at 9:44pm
the nature of the internet at present means we have to abide by terms of service, regardless of subject matter. Thats understood.
But when 'art' or 'artist' comes into the picture it helps us realize that we do watch each other and ourselves in creative freedoms . Here we contribute in shaping the future of machinima. This topic should be debated in forums and groups such as this. Its the Machinima 'artist' guild after all. The most intersting Art, or tv drama , or movie is about pushing boundries, about raising social and political questions. Theres alot to explore in the medium and these questions will arise.
Its time we ask questions... about TOS. About where we exhibit. About what machinima means to us. The whole time i write this i have to watch this loop (on the right) of an avatar being shot. For me the cycle of violence portrayed in PG movies , tv and now machinima is most fascinating. what compels a creative mind to use violent imagery when theres no tv ratings to abide by? what is a naked avatar..? and where is the line between 'on the site' or 'off the site'? all these things constitute interesting discussion about the nature of the reality in which we live. In most tv drama of the time there are sexual references.. a shot of a breast etc. We accept this is a no go zone in MAG machinima? Its not about this particular NING site, rules are rules etc etc. but its good to share ideas however strong or conflicting.
Comment by Asil on June 20, 2010 at 3:45pm
Thank you, Lowe ...for founding the Guild and creating this portal, which now serves almost 500 machinimatographers from all over the world. Thank you, for supporting this space and for taking the financial burden of paying for the upkeep on this portal, now that NING has stopped offering a free service.

Thanks also for creating the "Art with Attitude" portal ...which I will remind Pye and Lieve, is "a site dedicated to totally open expression in ANY form... (If it gets banned! It's between you and the platform host!)" []

Thanks also to our moderators, who do their best to keep the site troll-free and make sure its simple and fair rules are applied in a timely and egalitarian fashion.
Comment by Lowe Runo on June 20, 2010 at 3:19pm
Censor is an easy word to to throw around. I founded this site. I made the rules on this site. There are many many sites on the net to exhibit nude or naked or erotic material. That is where i would logically post this type of material if and when I produce it. Quit making mountains out of mole hills and produce something taylored for this site or find another. It is really that simple.
Comment by Larkworthy Antfarm on June 20, 2010 at 1:11pm
My video of the Susa Bubbles while controversial on this site was not censored.


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